Luigi and his allies are fought on Mushroom Kingdom. This is determined by a combination of stage choice, character choice of your opponent, and having lower port priority than your opponent. Luigi does really well against puff because hes insanely faster on the ground and can avoid her spaced aerials while putting out his own. This is pretty much my thinking as well. That why IC's are pretty bad against Jiggs since she's in the air 80% of the time. Welcome to The Melee Library, the largest collection of Melee information there is. Luigi's strange variety of attributes, however, acts as a double-edged sword. I'd go as far as saying 55/45 Luigi but most people will probably say its 50/50. Hard counters in Melee vary from range to priority to approach. Tiers > SSBM > Luigi Luigi's Super Smash Bros. Melee tier match ups. Due to her weight and dsmash trajectory, her CC beats yours unless you're behind her, so mix up with grabs. Luigi. You punish him hard and can get gimps with ledgehop bairs or reverse fairs. In all appearances, he either appears on Mushroom Kingdom or Mushroom Kingdom II with the exception of the metal battle and when on a team with Yoshi, where he will fight the player on Battlefield or Yoshi's Story, respectively. This is actually one of the most productive matchup discussions I've seen on this sub. Despite gaining new combo options, he has also lost one of his most valuable combo options in the form of his up aerial which now has increased startup lag, a worse auto-cancel window and it no longer sends opponents vertically significantly hindering its combo and juggling potential (no longer leading into Super Jump Punch) although it now has less ending lag and higher edgeguarding potential. â The weighted average score of the match-up. Press J to jump to the feed. He also does well against the Ice Climbers because he can separate Popo and Nana easily and his wavedash make him harder to grab, although he can be chaingrabbed. For Reimu, the only other matchups I can think of for her are Madoka Kaname and Mario, and I don't even need to explain why those suck. Her grab is pathetic, so HARD punish it everytime you see her whiff one. Dtilt is incredible for Marth, but Luigi can mix up timings pretty well. WD oos is really important in this matchup for punishes. Luigi's primary advantage in this regard is his impressive ground movement. I loved the matchup thread + ensuing discussion that nachoman posted, and I was wondering if there were any Luigi mains who have a tier ranking of his matchups. You can edgeguard him pretty badly, almost as badly as he can edgeguard you, so abuse that. The player must then defeat Luigi within one minute. However you do combo Marth for days if Marth screws something up. Very useful combo starter, leading into moves such as an up tilt, a neutral aerial, and an up smash. Luigi has great punishes on spacies, too, but their projectiles and shine are really what make the MUs so bad for Luigi. Time your wavedashes/wavedash oos right, otherwise you'll just keep getting baired. To unlock Luigi, the player must clear the first level of Adventure Mode with a two as the second digit of the seconds portion of the clock. Heâs made of such pure jank that his mere presence in a match increases the chances of encountering the invisible ceiling glitch by a factor of n^fuck. The Eternal Understudy returns to the fray with a familiar bevy of moves, and a few new tricks. Tot. While Luigi may initially appear to be a clone of his older brother Mario, similar to Dr. Mario, Luigi is a semi-clone of Mario who exchanges mobility for extra power, despite the inverse being true in the Mario games. Luigi's attributes can also wildly vary from Mario's; Luigi's air speed, dashing speed, and traction are among the lowest in the game, whereas Mario's are about average. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Don't have a ton of experience but they have a lot of the same stuff he does but he has a little bit better recovery and a better wavedash. Charles Martinet reprises his role as Luigi in Melee, albeit via Mario's voice clips from Super Mario 64, but more high-pitched. You destroy her when coming from below (just don't get caught by stupid dairs). Sure, it's a bad idea to CC her, but that's not why she has an "advantage" against you. Remember that up-b gives you 5 invincibility frames (INCLUDING THE SWEETSPOT FRAME). Does a quick downwards spin kick. Personally I have a hard time with falco because I like to WD everywhere instead of slowing the pace down. Even really good players that main these characters occasionally get steamrolled by top Luigis (usually there's a quite a difference in MU experience when it happens). For questions or suggestions related to content, contact Daniel Baggerman by email. Of note is that Luigi can appear in the Adventure Mode without being unlocked; encountering him in the Adventure Mode prior to unlocking him is actually one of two criteria the player can meet to unlock him. Childishly swings his arms at the air and gasps twice with exhaustion. Many significant differences are present between their ground, aerial, and special attacks, and Luigi possesses several unique moves. I used to solo main Weeg but switched to dual maining him with Falco because my region is filled with foxes I couldn't keep up with as Luigi. Super Smash Bros. Launches opponents diagonally upwards. Heâs hampered by characters that can camp, but with his wavedash, aerials and smash attacks, Luigi has just enough horizontal mobility to find opportunities in most matchups. Fox has the ability to camp out luigi with lasers, and when luigi comes down, fox can just up smash and kill luigi easily. IMO, Ganon and maybe even Link / Ylink / Zelda could be potentially disadvantageous for Luigi but you pretty much never see top level mains for each character cross paths. It also has high knockback at low damage. This page was last edited on December 21, 2020, at 14:59. Honestly, I won't dare on giving my opinion about Peach, as I've never played any relevant Peach players. Usmash OOS is a very good way of catching mispaced nairs/fairs or even bairs. Falco impairs Luigi's movement (he kind of does this to everyone, which is why many people agree that Falco is the best character in the game, but it SPECIALLY hurts Luigi). This matchup is very weird and style dependant, because many Luigis consider it not that hard. Rubs the back of his head sheepishly. This is his animation when he is chosen in, Beating Luigi in the Adventure Mode only gives the player 20 bonus points, the smallest. The slow and linear nature of these moves make is recovery easy to edgeguard on reaction, undermining his otherwise relatively long recovery. Super Smash Bros. Melee/Zelda. Everyone else is relatively even or better for Luigi. Marth sucks. His fair is REALLY annoying to deal with. Falcon: Luigi's best matchup IMO. If the charged Cyclone is interrupted in the air it remains charged. These are my own opinions, and are not to be taken as 100% correct. Additionally, his recovery is easy to edgeguard, being very linear and slow despite covering a large distance. She has the perfect weight for comboing, as well as a very punishable recovery, so work on your punish game, because you don't want to play against a sheik when she's ahead. If I had to guess they're both probably 50/50. Falco: Lasers lock you down hard but its hard for him to follow up on a shine. Personally, it's my WORST matchup solely because of this. This contributes to Zelda having poor matchups against others, though she does have a few even matchups against those higher than her, such as the Ice Climbers. Your vote â How you voted this match. It hits six times and does moderate damage, but it's not very useful due to being extremely unsafe on hit (it has 22 frames on ending lag and very low hitstun), allowing any character to grab him out of it. Alternately, playing 800 versus matches will also give the opportunity to unlock Luigi. He's basically a slow marth who's nerf is slightly compensated for by giving him meh projectiles. Furthermore, it, along with his low falling speed, leaves him highly vulnerable to juggles, as he cannot reach the ground effectively to escape them (this is one of the major factors in his poor matchup with Marth, who is capable of both starting and maintaining juggles on Luigi very effectively). He also edgeguards you easy (not quite as easy as fox) but this matchup is much closer to even. In addition, Super Jump Punch is both slower and much weaker especially the aerial version and it is a lot more difficult to combo into. Slowly gets up and kicks forward with one leg. Time your wavedash and get in and Ftilt, because it will trade/hit. When he shines you, DI down and towards the stage, you'll grab ledge instantly. Luigi is the only unlockable character to have his own cinematic, which plays when the player meets the criterion in Adventure Mode. Fox / Falco / Marth / Peach / Falcon - I'd say that they all have a solid advantage at this matchup overall, but generally it takes a very high level player or someone with lots of experience in the MU to really stand out. If they attempt an edgeguard with an aerial or ground based physical attack it is guaranteed to beat the fireball if it does more than 15% damage. Kirby's light weight allows Fox to kill incredibly quickly while Luigi struggles approaching characters with priority and high range. Throws the opponent into the ground, causing them to bounce at a horizontal angle. Watch out for nipple spikes! 70/30 fox. If he rolls, you're there, if he regular getups, you're there, if he side bs, you're there, if he jumps, you're there, etc. In Classic Mode, Luigi can appear as an ordinary opponent, an ally in team and giant battles, alongside Dr. Mario, Link, or Yoshi in a team, a giant opponent, the sole member of a multi-character battle, or a metal character. Luigi's cyclone/ftilt clanks instantly with missles. Things to go for gainst Falco: Nair OOS, Up-B OOS (if Dair is mispaced, it can clank with shine), DJ instant down-b to aliviate pressure, wd oos. The controller vibrates slightly during this animation. He lacks a reliable approach option: His fireball really never cut it, and he's lost that. All hits deal â11.1% when used fresh. As a puff, I find it incredibly easy to cover and stuff pretty much all of Luigi's approaches and options with my aerials, and I play even with local Luigi's ranked way above me. Does a somersault and then kicks upward onto the stage. The rest is fine, though. You can't play this matchup very aggressively but you have pretty good punishes vs. him. At least, not in this drastic of a way. No. He either do them to camp (force you to approach) or approach themselves. However, the Cyclone needs to be "charged" before it allows Luigi to rise while using it. This makes it hard to talk about his match-up spread because it's so dependent on how any given Luigi plays. In addition to these, Luigi's down aerial is among the most flexible attacks in the game. He destroys you on the ledge/off stage (unless he's the one recovering). Find More Information about Melee HD (4xM) here! Using a long wavedash does him little good for offensive purposes up close, and a short wavedash hampers safe retreat. In Melee, Kirby is hard countered by Fox and Marth hard counters Luigi. It will hit 100% of the times and trade if you're not invincible. Falcon can't down-b to DJ after he reaches a certain height though, so ledgedrop bair is really solid for edgeguarding (unlike ganon, that will keep down b'ing, djumping and up-b'ing back everytime). Peach: Peach I think is pretty even. Samus seems to be a fairly even matchup- Even though I don't think anyone beat Plup while he mained Samus, HugS has numerous losses to Eddy (although he did beat abate) and at the same time Duck has had numerous losses to Abate (and beat Eddy). Wavedash fsmash will catch puffs off-guard! Marth edgeguards vs. luigi are braindead if luigi loses his jump but if you have jump you can get back to the stage/ledge 9/10 times. 1 Due to Melee being the least common enemy type in this stage. Sheik, due to chain grabs, also hard counters various characters. Luigi can combine his excellent wavedash with a variety of powerful smash attacks to produce some of the best wavesmashes in the game. Does a upwards flipkick, hitting above him. 3.25:35 will not count). If the player has unlocked Luigi, Metal Luigi will appear in Stage 11-2: Battlefield stage alongside Metal Mario. As long as you're careful and reactive enough, I find it hard to believe Jigg should lose this MU. It's my second worst matchup, probably. Since this attack hugs the ground, it can be used to attack a. Dashes forward and attacks his opponent with a flurry of punches. I believe he's beaten every reasonably high level Ganon in tournament except Kage, who he beat in a MM and never played in tournament. Jab grabs. 3:42:35) , a cutscene will occur which will show Luigi taking Mario's place in the upcoming battle (unusually, it does not count if there is a two in the tens column, but not the ones column: ex. Luigi is featured in the following event matches: In addition to the normal trophy about Luigi as a character, there are two trophies about him as a fighter, unlocked by completing both Adventure and All-Star modes respectively with Luigi on any difficulty: This article is about Luigi's appearance in, Last edited on December 21, 2020, at 14:59, Super Smash Bros. Melee Character Matchups, https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Luigi_(SSBM)&oldid=1513624, A three-hit attack consisting of two jabs followed by a hip bump. Laser camp is not as effective since wig has amazing ground speed and his lasers aren't nearly as good as Falco's. Allows for combos or tech chase follow ups. The player will then have to battle a team of Luigi and Peach. He's very easy to edgeguard aswell. After Adventure Mode is completed, the player will face off against Luigi. Its upward trajectory makes this move well-suited for, Crouches, turns around, and kicks his heel out behind him. Planks twice. When she D-Throws, DI down and behind her. (XX:X2XX). Identical to Mario's up smash but has an up-and-behind trajectory, ideal for KOs off the upper, Kicks out twice in a breakdancing motion, first in front and then behind. Which really took me by surprise. Dair his up-B. 50/50. 55/45 puff still but definitely winnable for luigi. It pops the opponent up with low-knockback and is laggy, making it of limited usefulness. Learn wd oos, it's Luigi's OP option against characters that abuse space. Sometimes Luigi begins with the flying cyclone "charged" and sometimes it needs to be charged before use. Also the flying cyclone can be performed from the ground; if Luigi is doing his teeter animation at the edge of a platform he can execute a flying cyclone from that position. He's not as scary as ganondorf, but knees may catch your wavedash out of nowhere. Up throw up air/bair/fair is a great combo starter that works until really high percents and once you get him off stage its easy money with ledgehop bairs. In addition, Luigi's air game, despite his powerful aerials, lacks much needed synergy with his stellar ground movement due to his low air speed. A wide variety of his moves have also seen improvements to their speed and some moves such as down smash and neutral aerial have gained combo potential. His back aerial has good range and works well for setting up edgeguards, while his up aerial is useful for hitting opponents above him and has low knockback which allows it to combo effectively into more aerials (such as a down or neutral aerial) on floaty opponents, and also works as a somewhat situational edgeguarding tool. However, at higher level play, Luigi cannot combo as well, as his down aerial, one of his primary combo constituents, is a drill â the easiest type of move to DI out of in Super Smash Bros. Luigi does well against Jigglypuff and Samus however, and has even matchups with Yoshi and Donkey Kong. There is a 1-frame, 8% (ground hit 1), 9% (air hit 1), 12% (hit 2), A spinning attack that can be moved left and right. He will appear in the final stage when Master Hand's health is depleted to half. A chargeable move that launches Luigi sideways like a rocket. Despite Ganondorfâs few positive/even matchups in the high tiers, I put him below Luigi. His up smash has intangibility on his head and is effective at KOing on the upper blast line and on floaty opponents, in addition to outprioritizing attacks from above Luigi. There is a 1-in-8 chance that Luigi will misfire, sending him much farther, much faster, and with much more knockback. Even though they've appeared in every game to date, they each play slightly differently in each title. Remember to always DI away from his fair, otherwise you're going to get combo'd. WD Usmash KILLS nair approaches. A collection of information on playing against specific characters as Marth, based on my personal knowledge and experience. Also, cool stuff that i found: If you're 0% and the tries to dthrow uair you, you can trade with strong nair and turn it into your combo! For ICs and Falcon I wasn't sure, but they seem pretty decent for Luigi on a theoretical level. Ultimate matchup select for heroes, champions, and characters. Fox: The only reason I dropped luigi as a solo main. You keep up with her in the air with Nair/Bair and have decent combos on her. It is also useful as an edgeguard. Once you're below/above him, it's pretty easy to hit him and keep hitting him. LEARN HOW TO SWEETSPOT AND LEDGEPLANK CORRECTLY, otherwise people will just eat your DJ with stupid stuff. This is a drastic improvement from his previous ranking in the original Super Smash Bros., where he was ranked 12th out of 12 at the very bottom of the tier list. Or even worse: you'll get tippered for nothing. It seems like luigiâs aerials beat out peachâs nair pretty well, but not her back air. Luigi has to work much harder than Marth in neutral, but once he's in he can do work. If you get tilted by not being able to move around, then falco will be hard as hell. Useful as a low-damage opener. Falco impairs Luigi's movement (he kind of does this to everyone, which is why many people agree that Falco is the best character in the game, but it SPECIALLY hurts Luigi). By rapidly tapping the, Bashfully kicks the ground, dealing 1% damage to anyone who hits his foot. You have a good punish game and combo him well but half the time he'll just squeak a shine in and screw you. I will say though that I really don't think the Marth matchup is that bad for Luigi, mostly because of Luigi's range and how Marth really can not risk swinging and missing in the matchup at all. Master ledgedash (no one has ever done this btw), because optimally you would be SPAMMING this in the matchup. But then again, this is coming from personal experience, and I really haven't studied this MU at the top level, like, at all. Falco has lasers that make the neutral game and recovery for luigi extremely difficult, and it is super hard to get in on marth, and to get out of his combos such as up airs and fairs. Biography . Upthrow > upair is not a true combo on you (YIS). Despite a highly effective wavedash, Luigi's movement without wavedashing is poor; while his moonwalk is decent, his dash is slow and his short initial dash animation gives him a very short dash-dance. Overall, while Luigi's direct changes do not significantly buff him, the changes to the game's mechanics (mainly the inclusion of wavedashing) have immensely helped him pushing him into the mid tiers. (XX:X2XX). If you have trouble keeping up with the pace of a technical fox, and you have trouble fastfalling shines to the ledge, then fox will be the worst for you. When below you, just run off the stage/drop off ledge and bair. Remember that the sweetspot hitbox is located in Luigi's mouth and mustache. Use one Call For Backup per battle as soon as an ally goes down, but don't use any other captain commands. Luigi was once ranked quite high on the tier list, hovering around positions 6 to 9 for about the first year of Melee's metagame. Up air and bair really do wonders in this matchup. When Luigi didn't show in Super Mario 64, Nintendo fans around the world requested a return of the oft-forgotten second Mario brother. If he gets you offstage you die unless he's awful because your recovery is so slow. Despite his mobility, Luigi has lacks many particularly safe approaches on the ground, and his aerial approaches are very poor, which generally leaves him vulnerable to characters with good zoning ability. Luigi also has a wide array of efficient combo and KO moves both in the air and on the ground. Luigi's matchup spread is above average. Luigi's wavedash is the longest in the game, taking him nearly half the distance of Final Destination at a high speed (only slightly slower than Captain Falcon's dash). Melee is a strange game, and Luigi is somehow even more strange, which is like showing up to a Juggalo gathering and blasting harsh noise FLACs while fingerpainting with your own shit. 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